Genuinely boggled that anyone would think this is not the same geopolitical players behind Brexit and trump. It’s exactly the same. If there was a big red bus with ‘Alberta will be more free in the US’ it couldn’t be more the same.
- it’s not going to happen; it’s never going to happen
- it’s not about seceding or annexation - it’s about politically dividing Albertans specifically, and Canada more generally.
- Again, this is the same psyop playbook, top to bottom - there is nothing behind it except oligarch money and bot farms.
I hope you are right, and generally speaking I believe the same way you do on the matter. Sure they had lineups 2000 people long in every community, but that’s it. Everyone that was going to sign their stupid petitions signed them the first 3 days.
But if you are like me and live here, the sentiment is very much “fuck Ottawa” more than “fuck Canada.” It’s sad how easily affected a population can be when it comes to propaganda like this. It’s sad really. And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.
Why do you hate ottawa?
I’m definitely a little late getting back to this party, but I never said that “I” hate Ottawa. I said that is the general sentiment in Alberta. “Ottawa” being the default slang to describe the Federal Government, as a commenter replied to you stating. Hopefully that clears some things up.
For some reason, the average Albertan has been brainwashed enough by decades of anti-Fed propaganda that nearly half the population here believes the federal government actively works against Alberta. That Alberta because of its vast resources gets snubbed non-stop and it’s the rest of Canada’s fault. They believe the province just writes cheques out to Quebec, and the rest of the country is stealing our money.
I rarely get ads, thanks to pihole. But whenever my server is down for maintenance etc. I get spammed with “Visit the USA!” and “America the Beautiful” ads. I live in Australia… Why the fuck would I want to visit that shithole country?
It seems like the US is drowning and is trying desperately to get more people in to replace the “illegals” they’re deporting. Maybe I’m just their target audience (straight, white, male) ughh… makes me feel gross.
Hi, American here. Please never come here. While YOU would be mostly safe, we are still a dumpster fire.
Eh, if we manage to get our shit together I encourage everyone to visit our national parks. It’s not safe now or for the foreseeable future, but if it is in the future, they really are something to behold.
Here’s the great thing, nature is something to behold in most parts of the planet. We don’t need to travel across oceans to be wowed by it, we have our own. Sod going to the USA ever again.
Guy said the USA is shithole country, if I ever visit Australia, I’m buying you dinner lmfao
Buy most of us dinner, it is not an uncommon opinion
I’ll see what I can do!
youtube accounts should be authenticated to a human being in an organisation and those details be public to save democracy
There has been a concerted effort to isolate Canada and the US from each other in recent years. Also within Canada itself the rise of US style individualism has been depressing to see. Its wild how much social media has been weaponized by most nation states to use against others.
This world is going mad.
Canadians are generally far too educated for this to become more than a nuisance. It’s still concerning, but it’s great to see how it brings out the morons :)
The Trump administration has also been holding meetings with the leaders behind the Alberta separatist movement ( source). At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the US is performing a targeted destabilization campaign against Canada.
They absolutely fucking are doing that. There may be other parties involved, take your pick. Everything surrounding this is basically a Brexit-style psyop.
Alberta has fossil fuels and minerals. America wants them. Simple as that.
They’re trying to do it all over the world. It’s just easier to do next door bcz it’s close by.
Once again, Putin and his gnomes spreading discord, anything to break the West.
Why would Putin be behind this when Trump has openly talked about annexing Canada and has just recently met with Alberta separatists??
I swear, Westerners will use any excuse to blame China/Russia. There could be an American pedophile procuring children for American politicians and they would still blame Russia. Oh wait… they actually fucking did. Wake up and smell the shit from your own political class.
The West breaks itself by being imperialist warmongers. Some slop Youtube videos ain’t gonna do shit.
Canadian or Provincial annexation is a terrible deal for 2 main reasons.
US debt, and power projection, is on a near term collapse trajectory. Insane healthcare, military spending levels for no social services is higher effective tax/oppression rate on people/small business. Changes in provincial (and/or federal) government structure would be extremely disruptive.
Territorial possession of the US is far more likely than statehood. Far less generous autonomy (Quebec especially) granted by Federal government, and autonomy eroded continuously like native treaties have been. Increased north/south trade seems nice, but “real states” will get federal manufacturing incentives, and possessions will be hollowed out to 3rd world level. Jones act regulations on sea shipping means high cost of living.
While tariffs decrease unity as they should, the whole “protect steel and auto workers for outrageously expensive cars in states that don’t have those industries” is reason for highest GDP states to secede from genuinely corrupt political process, that propagandizes swing states on national socialist domination of uneconomic operations delivering no results for them, and shit product for the oppressed states.
You do realize Canada’s debt is higher than USA, right?
EDIT: Always worthwhile getting downvoted but no evidence to the contrary. Typical.
A bunch of YouTube channels that no one watches anyway. Nothing burger.
YOU don’t watch it. But I’ve watched in real time while videos like this appear on relative’s feeds while they doomscroll as they uncritically absorb everything that appears. Sometimes watching the same video two or five times because the damn app loops. And when I point out “you know that’s bullshit right?” The response is always some variation of: “I wasn’t paying attention to what it said I was just watching.” But they are absorbing it because days or weeks later they will parrot that same BS at me in a conversation.
Okay, fair enough. But do you think something like this would convince someone not already committed to secession? I can see how it would be appealing to support a narrative someone already has, but do you think it actually convinces people to change their mind on the issue?
On its own in a vacuum, no. But that’s why propaganda is seeded across multiple sources over extended periods in places people are half checked out in mentally. It’s the same reason advertising works. That one advert won’t get you, but if you hear a jingle, see a commercial, a billboard, an ad, an endorsement, a logo at your favorite team’s sports park… Ever wonder why your favorite softdrink is your favorite softdrink?
These propagandistic channels only need to plant the seeds of an idea, regularly feed it, wait until people are convinced the idea is their own, then wait for a counter pushback. That’s when the propaganda really takes root. Just like with Q or flat earthers, they will dig in to defend themselves from anyone challenging them. Logic need not apply. Push back only makes their conviction stronger.
I agree with all that. I haven’t been paying too much attention. Has separatist feeling been increasing? My feeling (based on nothing) was that it was static around 20%.
Speratism has been increasing everywhere on the right and the left. Rather that’s an intentional divide and control strategy or people organically getting sick of the systems around them - whose to say. I used to say nothing will come of it but then I watched the UK take themselves right out of the EU and found out Cambridge Analytica had a heavy hand in it.
Also 20% is a big number. That’s one in five people. Every fifth person. That’s a LOT. You only need 3.5% of the population to make a nonviolent policy change, 10% for a revolution against Great Britain. Even if that number stays at 20% my worry is some entity will organize that angry mass towards a goal.
I agree, 20% is a lot. That’s why the issues raised by the separatist side need to be addressed, and not just dismissed. Justin Trudeau wouldn’t give Alberta the time of day. Hopefully, Carney will be better.
