• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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    The betrayal of generations from the 20th century against the future quality of life of humanity will be remembered for thousands of years.

    That is not hyperbole, this period of human history is alone in its murderous intent to erase the human race and it can never be surpassed for if it does humanity will go extinct.

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      We’ll now begin our unit on “the time the people who wanted to end the world got control of the world, and how that all happened in spite of them not even being fucking subtle about it.”

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      Are those generations really worse than those before it? Yes the environmental destruction is unparalleled but so were also the tools that enable that. In the Stone Age people could not have even come close to doing what we are doing right now to the environment even if they wanted too.

      The term the tragedy of the commons originally referred to English cattle herders letting their cows overgraze public land because if they don’t overgraze it some other herders would do it instead. Stories like this are everywhere in history. The Vikings cut down every single tree in Iceland and the Faroe islands when they arrived with no care for the environmental whatsoever.

      Whaling, the clubbing of seals, the extinction of the dodo. There are countless examples. And if we are talking pure human to human cruelty, no war in the 20th century comes close to what the mongols did.

      The people of the 20th century were not more cruel or selfish than previous ones. They were simply the first ones given the tools and ability to pollute the whole earth.

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        I am uninterested in comparing the moral qualities of generations. Humans are humans.

        I am interested in the scale of the violence done by these generations against the earth as it will never be able to be surpassed without fully annihilating the human race.

        800 years from now no one is going to care how sorry everyone was now about the damage they have done, what matters is the impact and for the destructive impact generations such as Boomers have done to the earth they will be remembered for thousands of years as a calamity.

        By the way the “Tragedy Of The Commons” has largely been discarded as a useful way of understanding societies, it is a political narrative with an interest in specific ideologies more than a serious tool to understand humanity.

        https://boingboing.net/2019/03/07/scientific-fraud.html

        As Mildenberger points out, this isn’t a case where a terrible person had some great ideas that outlived them: Hardin’s Tragedy of the Commons was a piece of intellectual fraud committed in service to his racist, eugenicist ideology.

        What’s worse: the environmental movement elevates Hardin to sainthood, whitewashing his racism and celebrating “The Tragedy of the Commons” as a seminal work of environmental literature. But Hardin is no friend of the environment: his noxious cocktail of racism and false history are used to move public lands into private ownership or stewardship, (literally) paving the way for devastating exploitation of those lands.

        By contrast, consider Nobelist Elinor Ostrom’s Governing the Commons, whose groundbreaking insights on the management of common resources are a prescription for a better, more prosperous, more egalitarian future.

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        (Hardin quotes that didn’t make it into his seminal paper: “Diversity is the opposite of unity, and unity is a prime requirement for national survival” and “My position is that this idea of a multiethnic society is a disaster…we should restrict immigration for that reason.”)

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          so like, people can have both bad ideas and good. i don’t know enough about hardin, but the basic concept is a useful model to get people understanding a basic concept. is it a political narrative? i mean it’s macroeconomics. the entire damn field is politics under a veneer. their best model is barely better than flipping a coin.

          don’t get me started on micro though, that field is just gambling analysis.

          i don’t have a chip on my shoulder or nothin’

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            We really need to stop throwing away useful terms and concepts because their progenitors don’t turn out to be role models. Knowledge doesn’t always come from perfect sources. “Tragedy of the Commons” has no basis in race as a concept as I understand it, I don’t see why the guy who coined the term being a racist POS means I should take a moral stance on it.

            … but, you know, fuck that guy.

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      Boomers lived through the easiest, most rewarding period of American history and immediately and repeatedly ensured that no cohort following them would ever have the same again.

      As a group, they are the weakest, most selfish, and least adaptable generation in modern history.

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      But how will we get more money to the shareholders if we stop pushing humanity towards extinction!?

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      It’s very interesting that the nukes dropped will be mentioned, but the real death toll of the century was plain simple greed and selfishness. Those two working together have and will kill countless more in the upcoming century

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          That movie was criticized because it was on the nose, but if there’s one thing the last 20 years has thought me its that there may have been a time for subtle implications, subtext, and understatement, but it’s long over.

          If you aren’t screaming it, they won’t hear you and even if they hear you they won’t do anything…

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        Well, some people did something, but it wasn’t to try and prevent this.

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          7 months ago

          “oh so I’ll be 80ish when the consequences start to happen? Drill Baby Drill!!” - oil executives etc.

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            If you live in Russia or Canada, global warming is a gift from God that will convert useless tundra into a fertile paradise. Everything is relative.

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              Let’s see about that paradise when the bacteria and other bad stuff in the permafrost gets unfrozen.

              Let’s also see how people currently living in those areas feel about the “paradise” when everybody else who has the means will try to go there since it’s the only livable area.

              Not to mention how “livable” it actually would be, with extreme weather, flooding from icecaps melting and other weather effects I have no idea about.

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      Because exactly those things you describe (as well as some other factors/events) were reckless, violent experimenting (ideological, military, technological). And now we’re finding out. Like I’m not sure if you’re aware but the world changed ridiculously fast during the 1900s and now the early 2000s compared to the rest of history.